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So, the heterosexuality of married couples is not an occasion for the blessing of God? How then does the great blessing of children come from the, uh, union of same sex couples?
- Stan July 22, 2005 at 1:44 PM
Children come to us in many ways. We bless God for them however they come to us, biologically or otherwise. This article is not about the blessing we receive when we care for children. It is about the blessing we give to God for the faithful and committed relationships in which we experience God's love. Those relationships make our love of God and each other real within our communities. Procreating and child rearing may or may not be part of those relationships.
- Anonymous September 20, 2005 at 6:49 AM
The article made it clear that the sexuality of married couples did not really matter as long as they were committed and faithful. The madness of homosexual marriages is proved by its utter inability to continue the human race.
- Stan September 24, 2005 at 9:21 PM
Yes, it's madness to continue the human race. But indeed we do it. So too must we support our brothers and sisters in Christ, gay or straight, jew or greek, slave or free, muslim or christian, ... we must love and find the capacity in our hearts to support families and communities that are different from our own. There is no one that is saying that the human race will depend on the gay population to continue, it seems we need to take care of the human race with our approach to the environment, diplomacy, and our governing body first... God has given us many gifts and many things with which to concern ourselves first... this just isn't one of them.
- Anonymous October 7, 2005 at 10:16 PM
I do not know what you are agreeing to, since I did say that. But since you said that, do you consider your life madness?
And, if it is a matter of simple comprehension, comprehend this: Like all humans, homosexuals are products of heterosexual unions. You are a product of heterosexual union. No human exists as a result of homosexual union. You do not exist as a result of homosexual union. So, why should their "marriages" be blessed by the church, society or governing bodies?
- Stan October 13, 2005 at 5:34 PM
The first sentence in my last post should read: "I do not know what you are agreeing to, since I did not say that." (In response to the first sentence of your October 7th post)
- Stan October 14, 2005 at 11:00 AM
I do not know what you are agreeing to, since I did say that. But since you said that, do you consider your life madness?
And, if it is a matter of simple comprehension, comprehend this: Like all humans, homosexuals are products of heterosexual unions. You are a product of heterosexual union. No human exists as a result of homosexual union. You do not exist as a result of homosexual union. So, why should their "marriages" be blessed by the church, society or governing bodies?
- Stan October 15, 2005 at 4:29 PM
I do not know what you are agreeing to, since I did say that. But since you said that, do you consider your life madness?
And, if it is a matter of simple comprehension, comprehend this: Like all humans, homosexuals are products of heterosexual unions. You are a product of heterosexual union. No human exists as a result of homosexual union. You do not exist as a result of homosexual union. So, why should their "marriages" be blessed by the church, society or governing bodies?
- Stan October 15, 2005 at 4:30 PM
why would the ability to procreate be in any way related to whether or not a marriage should be blessed by God? Does that mean couples that are infertile shouldn't marry either? Is it wrong for old people to marry? Should a man divorce his wife once she hits menopause? The argument that the ability to make babies is the foundation of a good marriage is just silly.
The love of a human for another human is a blessing because it helps us to better understand God's love for us, which we can never completely comprehend. It teaches us a little bit of the way we should love and be devoted to God. It doesnt matter whether or not the lovers have matching genitals or can make babies.
- liz October 18, 2005 at 1:40 AM
"It teaches us a little bit of the way we should love and be devoted to God. It doesnt matter whether or not the lovers have matching genitals or can make babies."
Your philosophy is meaningless. God (the one you are invoking for support) has already settled the matter in His Word.
Genesis 1:27-28 "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth . . ." Sounds like multiplying is part of the blessing of the male and female, doesn't it?
Old Testament law about homosexuality: Leviticus 18:22 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Abomination means, "exceedingly disgusting" as opposed to the "blessing" you imply.
And, to show that the New Testament teaching does not overturn the Old on this issue: Romans 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."
The problem I have with this article is that it purports to come from a "priest of the Episopal church." He is supposed to speak for God. On what grounds does an Episcopal priest contradict the Word of God?
How has this minister acted in the love of God by not warning Jim and Peter of God's wrath on sin? If he wanted to express the love of God, he would have told them they need to repent of their sins (not just homosexuality) and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ that he is supposed to serve.
- Stan December 14, 2005 at 12:53 PM
We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Not look on our faces, O God, but look on the face of Jesus. We are perfect only in Christ's name. In the second creation story in Genesis 2, God made Eve as a helper to Adam, not because she could bear children but because he was alone and God said it wasn't good for man to be alone and He made him a companion.
- Grace Sharon June 12, 2006 at 5:16 AM
After much contemplation, I would like to add some things to my last posting. It may be misconstrued by some people and not wanting God's love to be misconstrued, I have decided to look foolish and add another one. Firstly, "helper" should read "helpmeet" and Stan, I must say that I was angry with you over the fact that the cross is for everyone. Everyone is redeemed through it. I could think of nothing else yesterday but to feel angry with you and I ask your forgiveness for same. However, the message for all of us as human beings is God's mercy is better than judgement. Jesus loves all men and women equally, He died for all of us. Not just some. May the blessing this congregation of Christ gives to all human beings, be the oneness of the blessing our true Lord Jesus received from the Father. "May they be one as we are one" was Jesus' prayer and I think this congregation of Christ is showing that oneness and love to everybody not just some who think they may be outside of God's judgment. Mercy! Love and true peace so we may all live as human beings were created to, in the love of Christ for every one, not just for some. May the Lord truly bless you and all that you do, Stan and Saint Gregory of Nyssa Episcopal Church. Grace.
- Grace Sharon June 12, 2006 at 5:15 PM
I am not offended at you, Grace. I was not aware of your anger toward me, so there is nothing to forgive. Examine your anger, though. Anger can come from different sources: righteous indignation, hurt pride or from defending an irrational position. That is how I have found my own faulty positions on occasion. Yes, we are all human.
"Firstly, "helper" should read "helpmeet."" I stand corrected.
Perhaps you believe that all men will be saved regardless if they repent or not; regardless if they embrace the Gospel or not. If so, I think you are in opposition to your own church's doctrine. Check with them about that.
God's mercy is not God turning a blind eye to sin. In Proverbs it says, "he that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy."
God's mercy does not come to a person unless he repents. And, repentance cannot come unless sinners know their true condition, which is eternal judgment if they die in their sins. Otherwise, if there is only mercy and no wrath, Christ would not have had to die! But Christ died to bear the wrath due to us.
I hope you understand that my statements were not directed at Peter or Jim, who like any other sinners need Christ's help. I am upset with the priest who confirmed them in their sin instead of calling them to repentance and faith in Christ and the work of the cross. He smoothed their descent into hades with the implied blessing of Christ. I think your anger would be better served against such lies as that.
- Stan June 16, 2006 at 11:13 PM
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